tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post440375402939614543..comments2009-10-06T20:33:26.479+01:00Comments on Derren Brown Fail: How Derren Brown "Predicted" The Lotto NumbersOwenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11013200981749584916noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-52504046154933907002009-10-06T20:33:26.479+01:002009-10-06T20:33:26.479+01:00p.s. Sam - thanks for your comment too! Nice for s...p.s. Sam - thanks for your comment too! Nice for some positive feedback instead of childish arguments :)Owenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11013200981749584916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-43675199896760424922009-10-06T20:30:39.151+01:002009-10-06T20:30:39.151+01:00Thanks for the comment, Paul. I think, however, it...Thanks for the comment, Paul. I think, however, it was definitely a 'fail' because it was essentially such a cheap trick to do. It's not like the Penn & Teller bullet trick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjDcARq8ty8) - how they do that I don't think we'll ever know!<br /><br />It wasn't even a clever psychological trick which is what we usually expect from Derren Brown. As such, I brand it a FAIL :)Owenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11013200981749584916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-78791610414125970892009-10-03T10:12:12.472+01:002009-10-03T10:12:12.472+01:00Great explaination of a great trick.
A bit harsh ...Great explaination of a great trick.<br /><br />A bit harsh calling it Derren Brown 'Fail' I think he achieved exactly what he wanted to.<br /><br />PPaul Hursthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17027682355841562092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-44456417026221128462009-09-17T21:52:10.688+01:002009-09-17T21:52:10.688+01:00If you two could stop flirting it'd make it al...If you two could stop flirting it'd make it alot easier for some of us to read about a theory.<br /><br />I'm very impressed with this considering you came up with it so quickly. Great stuff, I'm a huge fan of DB and have seen him live twice, this is doubtlessly the most unbelievable (quite literally) act he is yet to pull of, I'm glad someone proved itsamjjameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07714999707364496119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-33609411529635177352009-09-15T11:07:43.885+01:002009-09-15T11:07:43.885+01:00No, but it's as much as I'm prepared to of...No, but it's as much as I'm prepared to offer to this now passé discussion. Cheerio.fourstar71https://www.blogger.com/profile/17912282320117440112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-50409146188565662522009-09-15T09:52:31.260+01:002009-09-15T09:52:31.260+01:00Is that really the best you can do?Is that really the best you can do?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-24542143665984845382009-09-15T09:11:20.628+01:002009-09-15T09:11:20.628+01:00Their name is legion. Or indeed, 'Anonymous...Their name is legion. Or indeed, 'Anonymous'.fourstar71https://www.blogger.com/profile/17912282320117440112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-81185102737171179342009-09-15T09:05:17.132+01:002009-09-15T09:05:17.132+01:00I doubt whoever said it is particularly bothered a...I doubt whoever said it is particularly bothered about getting their name behind every single witticism they come out with.<br /><br />It was quite funny; I agree with you on that at least.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-26919475197664647372009-09-14T21:44:00.957+01:002009-09-14T21:44:00.957+01:00That was quite funny, Anonymous. Shame you'll ...That was quite funny, Anonymous. Shame you'll never get any credit for it.fourstar71https://www.blogger.com/profile/17912282320117440112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-23161354299258710912009-09-14T19:39:01.707+01:002009-09-14T19:39:01.707+01:00And in 30 years time when you grandchildren check ...And in 30 years time when you grandchildren check you out online what will you answer when they ask "Why were you such a tit on the internet grandad?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-78202845550104650562009-09-13T21:55:19.769+01:002009-09-13T21:55:19.769+01:00Now now children - it's just a silly trick. Ch...Now now children - it's just a silly trick. Chill!Owenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11013200981749584916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-79845473786705371222009-09-13T21:36:52.825+01:002009-09-13T21:36:52.825+01:00Riled? Don't make me laugh. The fact that I ha...Riled? Don't make me laugh. The fact that I had to explain to you that I had made a 'joke' (which you're <i>still</i> trying to use against me, sadly) does explain a lot. But thanks for trying. If this is how he did it, then you were right, bingo, spot on, full marks. But you still don't actually <i>know</i>, do you? That must rankle. That and not having an identity, of course.<br /><br />All the best.fourstar71https://www.blogger.com/profile/17912282320117440112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-79385496397904819912009-09-13T20:18:18.982+01:002009-09-13T20:18:18.982+01:00"As for how I should have structured my argum..."As for how I should have structured my argument, I'm not obliged to offer any counter theory"<br /><br />Well, really, the burden of proof IS on you here. Without a good solid reason for your contradiction, you're as much use as the chocolate fireguards who wander into theological discussions with nothing more to say than "Ah, ah, you'll never really know if there is a God or not, will you!"<br /><br />Such views don't really help, do they? We're aiming for a rational explanation here, and as such we prefer the analysis of facts to vague statements of faith in Derren Brown.<br /><br />As for your "mild banter", let's see: first you provocatively taunt those who like this theory, offer no reason for your contradiction, claim you're in like Flynn with Derren himself (which you later come clean on), use grandiose language like "cowardly mask of anonymity" when you get riled... That's not "banter", it's just annoying. <br /><br />But thanks for playing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-11654919619110826492009-09-13T15:01:31.650+01:002009-09-13T15:01:31.650+01:00I had never knowingly heard of Derren Brown until ...I had never knowingly heard of Derren Brown until the internet seemed to stop doing anything else in order to discuss the lottery prediction. (Well, I lie, I thought he was one of those hypnotists whose faces you see on the back of buses saying I CAN HELP YOU STOP SMOKING.) But then I watched the lottery 'prediction' and some Youtube clips of other programmes he's done, and thought they seemed interesting, and likeably low-key compared to all that David Blaine Messiah bollocks. (The 'secret' behind the betting system was great.) But agreeing with others that the lottery 'reveal' programme was a bit blah, and a lot less elegant than his previous misdirections (as cobbled together by me from Youtube anyway...) I wondered whether, given that it really didn't come off as a successful piece of television, and there still more programmes to come, it will be revealed as all part of some other grand misdirection...?<br /><br />Otherwise, I haven't seen anything more convincing as a theory that what's on this blog, which is pretty impressive. Although I have a soft spot for theories of the people who are claiming that the mice in the 'reveal' programme were a clue...Nathaliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09997728843303314637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-35948748300189732842009-09-13T14:48:01.006+01:002009-09-13T14:48:01.006+01:00"It's really getting your goat that you d..."It's really getting your goat that you don't know who I am, isn't it?"<br /><br />Nope, couldn't care less. I'm sure you have your reasons.<br /><br />As for how I should have structured my argument, I'm not obliged to offer any counter theory to point out that you still might be barking up the wrong tree. And if you can't take a bit of mild banter, you're taking the whole thing way too seriously IMHO.fourstar71https://www.blogger.com/profile/17912282320117440112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-53412416357841110142009-09-13T13:14:11.553+01:002009-09-13T13:14:11.553+01:00"someone hiding behind the cowardly mask of a..."someone hiding behind the cowardly mask of anonymity"<br /><br />It's really getting your goat that you don't know who I am, isn't it? How marvellous, that our little chat means so much to you!<br /><br />"I was aware of the irony. Glad you spotted it too."<br /><br />You knowingly handed me a stick to beat you with? OK...<br /><br />For the rest, it was indisputable - and it was what you should have come out with earlier. "You might be right. But also, you might be wrong" is fair enough (although this statement would have far more weight if you could point out any flaw in this blog's theory - which you can't.) <br /><br />However, plunging in with a statement like "Heh, you're all so convinced you're still right, aren't you. Bless" and bringing nothing to support your position but uncertainty isn't the most savvy thing to do, is it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-65701409926210610392009-09-13T12:33:52.566+01:002009-09-13T12:33:52.566+01:00I hardly think getting an email whenever someone h...I hardly think getting an email whenever someone hiding behind the cowardly mask of anonymity manages to spectacularly miss the point falls into the category of avid monitoring. But yes, I was aware of the irony. Glad you spotted it too.<br /><br />My point is that whilst you /think/ this is how he did it, and it is a very plausible explanation, well argued and documented, and in your mind there can be no other method, you don't actually /know/ how he did it, as you are a) not him and b) were not there. So whilst we can sit here and argue until the cows come home, only a very small handful of people actually know, and they aren't telling.<br /><br />You might be right. But also, you might be wrong.fourstar71https://www.blogger.com/profile/17912282320117440112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-63792260344768296112009-09-13T09:38:27.543+01:002009-09-13T09:38:27.543+01:00"Get a life," says the person monitoring..."Get a life," says the person monitoring this online discussion avidly. (Pot, kettle...)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-56880638544202268802009-09-13T08:53:36.248+01:002009-09-13T08:53:36.248+01:00"the direct hotline to DB you were claiming&q..."the direct hotline to DB you were claiming"<br /><br />Er, that was a joke? Jeez, get a life.fourstar71https://www.blogger.com/profile/17912282320117440112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-62705995402263133652009-09-13T01:19:50.203+01:002009-09-13T01:19:50.203+01:00In that case, fourstar, he should have started wit...In that case, fourstar, he should have started with another of his four premises, used "Win The Lottery" as his grand finale - and then come clean about the camera trickery in that one event!<br /><br />It would be nice to think DB was "cleverer than that", but from the evidence he was vain enough to think he wouldn't be caught out (and to give him credit, had the assistant not left the "39" ball raised by a few mm, it would have been far harder to catch him out!) But he got caught with his hand in the jar, and it's the lying/promotion of mumbo-jumbo which has proved so disappointing to his fans.<br /><br />"It would seem rash of him", "I cannot offer any further explanation", "I don't buy it wholesale, at this stage" - these phrases suggest you don't quite possess the direct hotline to DB you were claiming to have previously! Next time, I would suggest not entering discussions with patronizing assertions ("Bless"!) if you can't then back your arguments up with anything other than faith.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-5743077001862397112009-09-13T00:46:28.026+01:002009-09-13T00:46:28.026+01:00OK, my point is this: he has a whole series of ...OK, my point is this: he has a whole series of 'Events' coming up. If people start from the position that he is happy to use camera tricks, it devalues the whole series, even if the rest of the shows are /not/ based on that premise. Whilst I cannot offer any further explanation at the moment, it would seem rash of him to lob this out first, knowing that the sceptics are certainly not going to take in his 'Power Of Crowds' idea and will endeavour to prove that it /could/ have been done with cameras - even if it wasn't. He's cleverer than that and I don't buy it wholesale, at this stage...fourstar71https://www.blogger.com/profile/17912282320117440112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-59586030952266502282009-09-12T23:47:04.292+01:002009-09-12T23:47:04.292+01:00This is the only theory I am left to believe with....This is the only theory I am left to believe with. Coming from watching his show yesterday, I was even more confused about how he did it then before! I really belive this blog is the truth because at the very end of last nights programme, he said 'maybe it was just a trick'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-27308521485005154212009-09-12T21:27:00.021+01:002009-09-12T21:27:00.021+01:00Don't get me wrong; I think the work done here...Don't get me wrong; I think the work done here is tremendous. However, I just wouldn't be so certain that you are all entirely correct. That's all. No trolling intended, I'll leave you be now.fourstar71https://www.blogger.com/profile/17912282320117440112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-71473562251278947172009-09-12T20:47:41.704+01:002009-09-12T20:47:41.704+01:00And maybe you're trolling. I wonder which it i...And maybe you're trolling. I wonder which it is?<br /><br />Put it this way: if this wasn't the way DB did it, then why is this blogger's theory such a seamless fit? Not a flaw or loose end anywhere, as far as I can see...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092502949931759972.post-63233218813209282002009-09-12T20:11:34.361+01:002009-09-12T20:11:34.361+01:00Well, Mr Anonymous, I could tell you, but maybe De...Well, Mr Anonymous, I could tell you, but maybe Derren has asked me not to.fourstar71https://www.blogger.com/profile/17912282320117440112noreply@blogger.com